Boycotting Sponsors? Getting paid what we deserve?

[BBoy Origina]

Originally Posted by Simeon

Another question you can think of is this. I met the chairman of the association of dancers in Korea, and she asked me "Is the shuffle dance bboying?" Bboying is still considered a fad, and is highly confused with other dances. Nobody knows what bboying is. Someone will say it's locking, someone will say it is only spinning on your head etc.. And it is because nobody is representing bboying. There is no association, there are no academics etc.

Why? Because bboys "just want to get down". Because to bboys "getting down is more important than money".

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This creates Confusion of our art. B-boying has to settle this once and for all in the name of true Hip Hop.
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[Simeon]

Originally Posted by DJ RX-78

Festival, I don't see anything yet. Maybe I'm blind to something no one has told me about, but I still don't see it. Plus, does IBE have DJ & MC showcases or graffiti artist showcasing and painting? I'm just asking, I really don't know.
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IBE has pretty much everything you can think of.. panels on everything from bboy cinematography etc etc..

And yeah, it's a good idea, but like dyzee said, its hard to get people to get together to only talk.. its a bit easier to get them to only jam, and it is really easy to get bboys to a competition with prizes. That's how it goes.

[DJ RX-78]

Originally Posted by Simeon

IBE has pretty much everything you can think of.. panels on everything from bboy cinematography etc etc..

And yeah, it's a good idea, but like dyzee said, its hard to get people to get together to only talk.. its a bit easier to get them to only jam, and it is really easy to get bboys to a competition with prizes. That's how it goes.

Should of figured a lot of it has to do with selflessness and greed. But I wasn't suggesting a talk, I'm suggesting a jam, just one that doesn't have any intention of waving a check like a piece of meat for bboys to fight over. I guess I'm going to be a little salty until bboys can get a Hip Hop Festival event together, resolve a lot of issues, have a good time, and have the event in locations that everyone can get access to (because it should be in multiple locations world wide). Mid-west, east coast, west coast, north, south United States, Europe (Ireland, Germany, England, France, Spain), Japan, China, Korea, Various Countries, South American Countries, Australia, etc...

Maybe it is hard, but isn't it worth it if you actually help make a difference?

[Simeon]

^^ That's a good idea! A jam that is held all around the world with the same idea.. hmm.. but no prizes? That would be very cool...

[BBoy Origina]

There's a competition next month its a Hip Hop dance contest, one on one for $50,000 check, plus a job as a back up dancer for $100,000 a year touring. Did any b-boys here about it and who's entering?

[Flow One Three]

Because what they (audiance/judges) see as hiphop-dance has nothing to do with bboyin maybe...

[dyzeesnd]

I don't know who you are, or if we have ever met, but let me just say, that you are asking all the right questions, very well thought out and well put. I'd like to take the time to give my answers on some of these questions, which isn't the absolute truth, but one of the many pertaining to each question.

Originally Posted by BBoy Origina

Please answer these questions because I don't understand why, and there are no right or wrong answers.

Out side of bboy events (with $$$ prize) thrown by promoters and B-boys/crews how can all b-boys earn money steady with a job dancing?

If bboying was as big, or even a fraction of as big and professional as Skateboarding, Mixed Martial Arts, Ball Room dancing, Golf, Basketball, Soccer, etc, then there would be plenty of jobs for everyone, either teaching, coaching, administrating, advertising, selling, providing, creating, etc. But there has to be a demanding "NEED" for these things, in order for there to be money in it. For example, a friend of mine (business man, not bboy) saw that the UFC (mixed martial arts) was getting big back in the day. He was able to contact them, and become the sole licensee, to make UFC toys. Now he's got a HUGE company, because there is a market worldwide for UFC toys. Bboying needs to be popular, in order to provide a market for other ways besides competing or judging, to make decent money.

Originally Posted by BBoy Origina

Why aren't there more bboy Dance schools dedicaded towards teaching the dance (actively and verbally)?

I'm assuming your talking about Bboy Dance schools. The reason why there aren't any, is because there is no official standards in bboying to teach. Students don't want to learn only the opinon of one person or crew, they want a general education of all perspectives, so that they can make their own choices. For example, Ballroom dancing was just like bboying back in the day... until someone made the first official manual for ballroom dancing. That manual is now outdated, but it was the source for the revisions and the later official standardization of the dance through various ballroom dancing associaitons. So once we have an official united association (not people saying, screw powerheads, they aren't bboys) as well as official standards and manuals that can be taught, as well as the popularity, and the need for bboys to want to go to school and receive an legitimate bboy/hip hop education, then we can begin to open up official dance schools.

Originally Posted by BBoy Origina

Can promoters get Sponsors to help bboys Create jobs for their dance?

At this time, not really, unless you are Redbull, who is the only outside corporate company who actually puts money and sponsors bboying as paid athletes (BC one allstars). Ofcourse they get to choose who they want to sponsor, based on their own event (BC One).
Most sponsors don't want to sponsor 1-off events. They want to sponsor an ongoing thing. Like an entire season. But the problem is that most promoters throw their events only once or twice a year. If all the promoters decided to work together to create an official league season, perhaps that would be a good start.

Originally Posted by BBoy Origina

Does this dance have to be revolved around competing all the time or can there be more shows
Created like the Jabawakees?

No it doesn't have to be only revolved around competing. There are shows, and community events (parties), youth recreation centers (practice/ traning spots) for bboying like a social dance. However, if we are basing our market on just the entertainment factor, then it will be short lived. Once people get bored of something, they move on, that's life. The only way to keep things steady and consitent, is to make it about an actual game, and market battles as competition, not entertainment. For example, how many times have we seen slam dunks, three pointers and cool passes. But we don't get bored of watching basketball. Why? because us fans feel like we are part of the team. It's not entertainment, it's hometown support and pride. If bboying wants to have a long successful and growing future, we need to tap into this side of bboying so that the other aspects will grow simultaneously (artistic performance side, social dance side, business sides etc)

Originally Posted by BBoy Origina

B-boys who are developing businesses with plans to help all bboys earn money aren't being focused on and helped out in anyway why?

I think this is because everybody is focused on their self hustles. Most bboys living in this game, toook a long time to build their reputation, and a way for them to make money. It's hard to just give that up and go with other people's visions. "What if it doesn't work out?" is what many people are thinking. Everyone is accustom to trying to build their own thing, rather than work together to build something together. But this can change, and I think it is changing.

Originally Posted by BBoy Origina

Why aren't there calaborations with big corporations and this dance?

Like I said, the only collaberations is through companies like Redbull. Are there any other companies that have CONTINUALLY invested into bboying as long as they have? They have been around, organizing events since 2001, thats 10 years already.
But besides them, other companies don't want to invest into something without seeing some type of return, unless bboying is a non-profit charity, atleast they can get a tax exemption! That's why we need to increase our professionalism and marketability (appeal and popularity tonon bboys) in order to for corporations to WANT to collaborate with bboying. But before this happens, we need to have basic protection for ourselves such as standards, and an association, otherwise we would get bullied in the "real world" of life, money, and business.

Originally Posted by BBoy Origina

Why has Hip hop become an industry where Mcee's / D.J's only Make "real money",
And why do rappers have more street creditability than bboys do in terms of
hustling?

This is because they have such an easy way to make money which is by selling music and entertainment.
Now we need to determine what a bboy is more about. Are we athletes or entertainers? If we say entertainers, then our sole purpose is to entertain people. I simply to not agree with that statement. The majority of our purpose as bboys, is to battle. Some people say dance, and i agree with dancing, but if its only about dancing, why stick with only bboying? Why not do popping, house, folk, wacking, tutting, even choreography? As bboys, we are special, because we BREAK to BATTLE. We want to get better, to compete. We learn everything in it, because we want to put it to the test.
Sooo, if we want to make real money, bboying needs to be more than entertainers, we need to be what we really are, artists/athletes/dancers combined.

Im not sure about rappers having more street cred, because where im from, back in the day, if you were a bboy, it meant your living on the edge. But if your talking about now adays, the newest generation of bboys are actually educated and from better social economic backgrounds.

Originally Posted by BBoy Origina

When will someone step up and voice their concerns that Hiphop culture is being devided and not united ( super poor an super rich) one element mattering most which reps the only voice in our culture, rap!?

Thats why we need to step up as entire bboying community, making bboy battles even BIGGER than the RAP industry. If we control our market, through one united system and Association, we can take hip hop back to the original roots, the way it was supposed to be, about art, culture, music, and especially, competition!

Originally Posted by BBoy Origina

Last question , What's the difference between selling liquor to alcoholics vs caffeine induced energy drinks to striving athletes, aren't both products addictive, aren't both products link to Hiphop lifestyles based on parties and events?

The difference is that being an alcoholic isn't an occupation, and doesn't help with anything besides a temporary escape from reality or losing ones inhibitions. Being a pro athlete where your paycheck depends on you being able to perform at any given time, is. Selling caffeine induced energy drinks to striving athletes is like selling coffee to hardworking students who are fighting to study hard for their final exams. It's meant to be a tool, not an addiction, unlike alcohol that isn't used for any beneficial positive means besides celebration. Now im not "For or Against" Redbull, although I do drink it occasionally when im super sore and need energy, I think the real issue is bboying itself, needing to become more marketable so that other companies besides Redbull will want to come into the scene and begin offering sponsorships and funding, and once that happens, we will have a choice of who we want to work with.

[BBoy Origina]

ATTN: B-BOYZ real talk!!!

STOP THIS TALK OF BOYCOTTING RED BULL IT'S NOT KILLING OUR ART.
If ya really want to take a stance in this life style , then Boycott those B-boy sites that use the name B-boy.? with 1,000,000 hits from key words such as breakdancer or breakdancing selling, how to breakdance dvd's, and breakdance accessories. If we collectively take back our identity (STREET & VIRTUAL) then we all can witness how much true power we all have as dancers. THINK ***consciously*** DOES ANYONE PUT UP THEIR TRAILERS WITH THEIR NAME BREAKDANCER ROX RIGHT, NO WAY JOSE, WHY CUZ WE WILL BE SELLING OUT OUR WAY OF LIFE, BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THE COIN IT'S HAPPENING WITH MEDIA AND NOW INTERNET (AWARENESS IS ALL WE NEED) ...WE CAN CHANGE THAT , CORRECT IT ONCE AND FOR ALL....


This is killing the b-boy star, and thats the start for something in our community. One thing is certain we are not Breakdancer's here nor does anyone pose as one. I put in to much work in my dance, scene, community, crew, clothing line to get jerked by a term giving to us from the media who don't give a flying f*** about B-boyz...
There boycott that..

READ THIS BRILLIANT THESIS.... Internet killed the b-boy star conscious - Google Search
THIS THESIS SUMS UP THIS TOPIC IN A NUT SHELL, AND WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO IS OCCUPY THE STREETS AGAIN


THE SOUTH BRONX BOYS BROKE DOWN WALLS FOR US TO EAT.

WE FIGHTING AMONGST OUR SELFS INSTEAD OF BUILDING WITH KNOWLEDGE FOR THIS DANCE.

CREATE REALISM AND COME TOGETHER AND LETS DOCUMENT THE MOST HISTORIC B-BOY EVENT FOR THE WORLD TO SEE IN THE BX... FREE OF CHARGE! YES PROMOTERS FREE THIS IS OUR MOVEMENT AT STAKE

HAVE IT TELEVISED IN THE BRONX FOR ALL MEDIA TO BE INVITED SO WE CAN TELL THEM (cover your ears kids) STOP FUCKING CALLING US BREAKDANCERS CUZ YOUR KILLING OUR ART . WE ARE STARVING BECAUSE OF THAT TITLE...

THIS CONSCIOUS AWARENESS WILL BRING TRUTH FOR ALL OF HIP HOP TO SEE FEEL AND MAKE NO MISTAKE LEARN & LAST ACKNOWLEDGE HOW WE FEEL ABOUT MEDIA

THEN WE VOICE OUR DEMANDS IN HIP HOP WITH REAL POWER, ALSO KEEP OCCUPYING THE INTERNET WITH BOYCOTTING "breakdancers" CUZ THIS IS THE START...

THAT'S THE PLAN..
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[BBoy Origina]

[quote=dyzeesnd;1300601]I don't know who you are, or if we have ever met, but let me just say, that you are asking all the right questions, very well thought out and well put. I'd like to take the time to give my answers on some of these questions, which isn't the absolute truth, but one of the many pertaining to each question.



The difference is that being an alcoholic isn't an occupation, and doesn't help with anything besides a temporary escape from reality or losing ones inhibitions. Being a pro athlete where your paycheck depends on you being able to perform at any given time, is. Selling caffeine induced energy drinks to striving athletes is like selling coffee to hardworking students who are fighting to study hard for their final exams. It's meant to be a tool, not an addiction, unlike alcohol that isn't used for any beneficial positive means besides celebration. Now im not "For or Against" Redbull, although I do drink it occasionally when im super sore and need energy, I think the real issue is bboying itself, needing to become more marketable so that other companies besides Redbull will want to come into the scene and begin offering sponsorships and funding, and once that happens, we will have a choice of who we want to work with.


Look I love my coffee / red bull when I was grinding it out with 2 jobs in order to start the Bboy Original® brand working 80 hour weeks for 1 year straight. The "athlete your talking about is not the same one I see in the NFL, NBA, and PRO BOXING. Dizzy imagine giving a red bull to Bruce lee (God rest his soul) or Muhammad Ali

I think u already know B-boy.. Thanks for answering my questions, it helped awareness in Hip Hop (brilliant). Oh and you did meet me, in NYC.... You as a conscious B-boy supported your fellow B-boy with a dream and passion for all b-boys, the first true b-boy brand in Hip Hop -BBOY ORIGINAL® CLOTHING- thanks for the support brother...

With All do respect to Red bull in behalf of my crew member Floor Phantom don't mind him he's a B-boy from the BX who's out for street justice that's all, and like I said I WOULD OF FELL ON MY FACE IF I DID'N'T COPP A SUGUR BULL WHEN I WORKED BOTH JOBS AS A DOORMAN AT THE BRYANT PARK HOTEL AND W HOTEL UNION SQUARE (FULL TIME) GREAT PRODUCT. There are things red bull should be conscious of and that's calling us break dancers on their reality trailer by announcing to the world their top 3 "break dancers" for red bull bc1. Believe me I checked Mc's before and I don't have a problem checking company's to it's only awareness that's all.

B-boy Wiz


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[Bboy Phunk-E]

Oink-oink! Pig Olympics begin

even pigs have support for their pig-olympics, why not bboys?

sry kinda random

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