the difference in battles now compared to bak in da 90s and early 2000s - Page 9 - Bboy World Com

ma0x · 06-20-2009, 08:40 PM

To contribute, i think a lot more people are letting self-consciousness get to them. I think everyone nowadays has a certain volition to be "stage-present" and leave a lasting, good impression. If there's one thing that i learned from going to jams it's that the only way you'll get recognized is by battling over and over and bringing something new to the table. Also, people look at battles like a performance and that's completely ridiculous. They think because there's an audience that they have to be completely flawless and because of that preconception, lack of confidence sets in. Honestly, i think people have been spending too much time on youtube watching other bboys thinking that they have to be like them... Just be you, do you and do your own shit and it'll pay off in the end.

Shout-outs to atomic goofball on that one.

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Food for thought:

Think about how many clips you've watched of bboying and how much practice time that could translate into.
Maybe then people would be more confident in their moves and the execution of those moves.

quickfeet_456 · 06-20-2009, 09:29 PM

Man, so many different views on this topic! Dope, dope, dope! I've only been breaking for about a year now but reading these threads has reminded me of why I started. Dancing has always been something I've enjoyed and bboying has brought out a side of me I didnt know. I'm not that skilled, I'm not going to be the best anytime soon, so I just practice. I Practice knowing that some other cat who's better than me might call me out if he gets the chance so I will be ready. I train with a crew (17.42) but im not in one. I feel I have much to learn in the scene before I even think about trying to join or start a crew. One thing I do know is this: When I battle you may beat me with moves, but I'm not gonna let you make me look like a chump. I'll dance 10 times better than you will and you'll know it. My style and flava will make your moves seem unimportant and useless. I dont know the difference in time besides what I've seen in clips but bboying is always growing and changing and we have control of where it goes and dosen't. The second we dont feel that, we've lost it. Innovate and re-create at the same time.

reMeks · 06-21-2009, 12:02 AM

The way I look at it is like this; if you want to piss and moan about how good the old days were, then do it somewhere else. Hip-hop is evolving, and people are bringing b-boying back down by crying like pussies because they don't like change. You're right, people aren't popping their eyes out and doing really exaggerated expressions, or lying on the floor doing the pornstar freeze, or wearing all red, or all yellow, but that doesn't mean there is no attitude. It's more subtle now, but it's impossible to break for a long time without putting your own attitude in there.

I think the worst thing to happen is the fucking Zulu Nation, they're the ones bringing it back down. They're bringing back a style that you either go with and rock because you're told to, or you don't and you're looked down on. I'm looked down on, because I don't say "word" and "fresh" every second I get, because I feel obliged to, because I think that's what makes a b-boy when I know it doesn't. I don't feel that way, and I'm by no means disrespecting the old school, but I feel like we've already done that (as in been there, learned from the past), and it's time to move on to what we like as individuals. We've learned a lot and grown from the old school, why do we have to go backwards?

A b-boy is someone who expresses them self, not what Alien Ness tells them to do, and not what's going to please the judges. I think you should be allowed to wear anything, use any vocabulary, listen to what makes you want to dance, no-matter WHAT the genre is, and express YOURSELF, dance the way you feel, not like a little carbon copy because you think it makes you "real." If you do that, you're faker than you ever have been.

Expression and attitude aren't dead, and if it is, it's because Zulu Nation killed it by confusing everyone and brainwashing the n00bs. I'm going to make a lot of enemies probably by clicking Post Quick Reply, but fuck it, this is how I feel.

EDIT: One more thing, the people watching videos on YouTube; those kids are new, give them a break. Not only are most of them unable to find other connections due to whatever, but they're also, for the majority, very young. Look at the way they type and the things they say, give them a fucking break. They'll learn, and if YouTube was around when you were starting out, you KNOW you'd be watching it as well. Some people are visual learners, and I'm sick of people pissing on them, they aren't going to like YouTube b-boy clips forever. And for those who don't remember, one of the best things about Bboyworld was the footage sections, but when all the video streaming technology came out, everyone started hating, like you didn't come to Bboyworld to watch clips, because for some reason that's different, right?

Lastly, you grow as a b-boy as you do it longer, just like you become more of a man when you get older, your views of the world change and you start being more grown-up, just like your view of breakdancing changes and your style sets in. So before you start ripping on the younger kids who don't know any better, remember what it was like to start out and how much of a faggot everyone was to you. Give them pointers, but don't be a total fucker just because they didn't know.

mikeyice · 06-21-2009, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reMeks

The way I look at it is like this; if you want to piss and moan about how good the old days were, then do it somewhere else. Hip-hop is evolving, and people are bringing b-boying back down by crying like pussies because they don't like change. You're right, people aren't popping their eyes out and doing really exaggerated expressions, or lying on the floor doing the pornstar freeze, or wearing all red, or all yellow, but that doesn't mean there is no attitude. It's more subtle now, but it's impossible to break for a long time without putting your own attitude in there.

I think the worst thing to happen is the fucking Zulu Nation, they're the ones bringing it back down. They're bringing back a style that you either go with and rock because you're told to, or you don't and you're looked down on. I'm looked down on, because I don't say "word" and "fresh" every second I get, because I feel obliged to, because I think that's what makes a b-boy when I know it doesn't. I don't feel that way, and I'm by no means disrespecting the old school, but I feel like we've already done that, and it's time to move on to what we like. We've learned a lot and grown from the old school, why do we have to go backwards?

A b-boy is someone who expresses them self, not what Alien Ness tells them to do, and not what's going to please the judges. I think you should be allowed to wear anything, use any vocabulary, listen to what makes you want to dance, no-matter WHAT the genre is, and express YOURSELF, dance the way you feel, not like a little carbon copy because you think it makes you "real." If you do that, you're faker than you ever have been.

Expression and attitude aren't dead, and if it is, it's because Zulu Nation killed it by confusing everyone and brainwashing the n00bs. I'm going to make a lot of enemies probably by clicking Post Quick Reply, but fuck it, this is how I feel.

i am gonna mos def correct what your saying bcuz you just ''LIT BOMB" you have a very big miss understanding "ZULU NATION" is the birth of hiphop period if there wuz no zulu there would not be
any scene or b-boys you gotta understand what you just spoke on "BAM" called it hiphop if you dont
respect the foundation then i dont know why your even dancing..far as looking back goes in this
day and time you can do what you want. uneducated in the dance that's on who ever just bcuz
skinny jeans "are in" people wanna wear make up & call them self hiphop does that mean everybody
has to buy pair size 28 waist jeans with "vans" shoes and scarf around my neck to be called the new
style? i respect all that come & go i seen all the ''TRENDS" come & go bcuz that's what is is just like
youtube is trend from "HELMETS" to dancing with no shoes to everybody dressing up like it's making
of thriller michael jackson video to "remind" the list goes on etc. etc. i want have to blast you on here

bcuz that's not my job to tell you to do what you want i think you should follow all the trends out there
then you come back 17 years later saying damn i wuz young mind it i did alot things i shouldn't done or
said but let time tell you see what i am talking about good job expressing what you feel man i can respect
that but i got one thing to say before i end this. "ZULU NATION" CHANGE the world back in 70's 80's 90's
and the present time "BAM" IS BEYOND legendary status give the man his respect bcuz he gave you chance
to be apart something he created it dont matter what year it is 1973 or year 2040 'ZULU NATION" will go
down as the first & longest hiphop crew of all times period!

reMeks · 06-21-2009, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyice

i am gonna mos def correct what your saying bcuz you just ''LIT BOMB" you have a very big miss understanding "ZULU NATION" is the birth of hiphop period if there wuz no zulu there would not be
any scene or b-boys you gotta understand what you just spoke on "BAM" called it hiphop if you dont
respect the foundation then i dont know why your even dancing..far as looking back goes in this
day and time you can do what you want. uneducated in the dance that's on who ever just bcuz
skinny jeans "are in" people wanna wear make up & call them self hiphop does that mean everybody
has to buy pair size 28 waist jeans with "vans" shoes and scarf around my neck to be called the new
style? i respect all that come & go i seen all the ''TRENDS" come & go bcuz that's what is is just like
youtube is trend from "HELMETS" to dancing with no shoes to everybody dressing up like it's making
of thriller michael jackson video to "remind" the list goes on etc. etc. i want have to blast you on here

bcuz that's not my job to tell you to do what you want i think you should follow all the trends out there
then you come back 17 years later saying damn i wuz young mind it i did alot things i shouldn't done or
said but let time tell you see what i am talking about good job expressing what you feel man i can respect
that but i got one thing to say before i end this. "ZULU NATION" CHANGE the world back in 70's 80's 90's
and the present time "BAM" IS BEYOND legendary status give the man his respect bcuz he gave you chance
to be apart something he created it dont matter what year it is 1973 or year 2040 'ZULU NATION" will go
down as the first & longest hiphop crew of all times period!

I don't mean to be rude, but without commas it's really hard to understand what you're talking about. Zulu Nation is NOT the birth of HIP-HOP, HIP-HOP goes a lot farther back than Zulu does, buddy. Zulu Nation might have been around as far as near the beginning of breaking, but not for hip-hop. And even if they DID start everything, that doesn't mean that they can do whatever they want, and tell everyone else to follow them anymore. THAT'S a trend, Zulu is grandfathered in and they get too much of a spotlight in my opinion. Times have changed, and you're sounding like grandpa. I didn't say anything about not wanting foundation, or seeing a lack in the need of it, so don't switch my points around, because you know you didn't read ANYTHING in my post about not wanting to have foundation.

To wrap what my first post, and this one, I'll say this - express yourself, not what you think is expressing yourself, or what you're told is expressing yourself. You can be original and unique, or you can be a stamped out little cookie from the pan. I don't disagree with everything Zulu Nation has said or done, but I don't like most of it. It's my opinion, and I'm entitled to it. I dance with a free conscience.

Peace and respect, no beef intended.

mikeyice · 06-21-2009, 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reMeks

I don't mean to be rude, but without commas it's really hard to understand what you're talking about. Zulu Nation is NOT the birth of HIP-HOP, HIP-HOP goes a lot farther back than Zulu does, buddy. Zulu Nation might have been around as far as near the beginning of breaking, but not for hip-hop. And even if they DID start everything, that doesn't mean that they can do whatever they want, and tell everyone else to follow them anymore. THAT'S a trend, Zulu is grandfathered in and they get too much of a spotlight in my opinion. Times have changed, and you're sounding like grandpa. I didn't say anything about not wanting foundation, or seeing a lack in the need of it, so don't switch my points around, because you know you didn't read ANYTHING in my post about not wanting to have foundation.

To wrap what my first post, and this one, I'll say this - express yourself, not what you think is expressing yourself, or what you're told is expressing yourself. You can be original and unique, or you can be a stamped out little cookie from the pan. I don't disagree with everything Zulu Nation has said or done, but I don't like most of it. It's my opinion, and I'm entitled to it. I dance with a free conscience.

Peace and respect, no beef intended.

i am done here case closed remek!!!! dance be free it's your life so live it!

RUSH · 06-21-2009, 07:43 AM

Remeks,
Dont rely on the internet for your history. Go and search for the knowledge. By the sound of it you have a very negative perception of what Zulu stands for and to be honest i dont blame you. Its something you have to either be apart of or around to understand. Getting your opinion of Zulu from forums and youtube wont do justice. Some of the cats you prolly dislike you might get along with in person. Alot of cats hate on Zulu cos they dont like Ness....majority of them cats never met Ness in their life and base their views of Ness from the net. ZULU is bigger than Alienness!!! now thats no diss to Ness and i like to think he'd agree wid me as theres a deeper spiritual meaning to Zulu nation and you shouldnt let your views of one person make up what you think Zulu is.

On another note Zulu Kingz never told dudes they had to dance a certain way.......cats just followed or asked for advice and cats gave it. And if they did say u HAD to dance a certain way then its up to that person to make their own decision....no ones holding a fukken gun to your head.

pz

mikeyice · 06-21-2009, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RUSH

Remeks,
Dont rely on the internet for your history. Go and search for the knowledge. By the sound of it you have a very negative perception of what Zulu stands for and to be honest i dont blame you. Its something you have to either be apart of or around to understand. Getting your opinion of Zulu from forums and youtube wont do justice. Some of the cats you prolly dislike you might get along with in person. Alot of cats hate on Zulu cos they dont like Ness....majority of them cats never met Ness in their life and base their views of Ness from the net. ZULU is bigger than Alienness!!! now thats no diss to Ness and i like to think he'd agree wid me as theres a deeper spiritual meaning to Zulu nation and you shouldnt let your views of one person make up what you think Zulu is.

On another note Zulu Kingz never told dudes they had to dance a certain way.......cats just followed or asked for advice and cats gave it. And if they did say u HAD to dance a certain way then its up to that person to make their own decision....no ones holding a fukken gun to your head.

pz

words taken out my mouth...peace

reMeks · 06-21-2009, 05:47 PM

RUSH, I'm not getting my views off the internet. I've met more big-name people than you might think, I don't dislike all of Zulu as people, I don't like what they're preaching a lot of the time. And as for Alien Ness, this guy searches for his own name on YouTube, and leaves comments all over the comment section, saying shit like "Oh those aren't turtles, that's a two-handed spinning jackhammer." Whenever anyone has a problem, he whines and moans about it not being like the old days, and if anyone disagrees, he does what Mikeyice tried doing to me; saying I don't want foundation and that I don't see a purpose in it, when we both know I never said that.

I don't like the lack of expression, and I don't like that if it's not Zulu's expression, it's not there. Zulu has a crew, they have members, they have their own attitude, they should keep it like that. As far as dancers, they're pretty good, but I feel like they're cramming information up everyone's asses with a funnel like it's a religion, people don't really have a choice. So by saying "No," I'm all of a sudden treated like a heretic. I'm just tired of people not questioning what they say or even thinking about it before they take it in.

KREATE · 06-22-2009, 09:40 AM

u need some pussy and blaze a couple of joints reMeks....

KREATE · 06-22-2009, 09:41 AM

but thats just my opinion =)

Suspicion · 06-22-2009, 10:27 AM

I gotta go with Rush on this one..
You are expressing your disdain on the matters youve seen and read off the internet reMeks.

Bashing the whole Zulu Nation is rediculous. If youre speaking of a few figureheads within the crew then say so.
Hip-Hop is a culture with B-boying being one of the elements under its umbrella.
Discrediting a person in an argument is fine, but an organization or crew wholly is weak.

If you did some history Afrika Bambaataa was one of the sole contributors to the origination of hiphop in general. So marking a whole crew then taking it back is hypocrisy.

I do agree with you points on people taking positions of OG's just because they were there first
some people do think they're living/breathing examples of hiphop and that what they do wholly
is what they think every person in hiphop should be. In that case thats just wrong.

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But back to the original thread (which always seems to end a vicious arguments, lol)

The Rawness I cant say enough about. Ive watched Grav do his thing and his temperment in a battle is comparable to long time experienced bboys as well.

Personally other variables not covered already (internet being the strongest example, then music)
is just people growing up in the hiphop culture within their own communites. Rawness and animosity I find, usually come from individuals growing up from certain lifestyles.

For example, someone who grew up around/in the hood or around hoodlums would naturally more easily have that fire in their eyes when their talents were grown in/thru a bboy cypher.
i.e. from above, tells stating that mans used to scrap after battling
(nba) players from various hoods who eventually became pro

Other examples outside the hood would be naturally talented people who happened to learn from known leaders in their respective athletic/bboy community. Like an athlete who people come to see as naturally born athletes (this can be seen from numerous talents in any sport or athletic community or form of physical competition)

i.e. ill ass bboys (with clout) that come from the burbs or a background of known 'peace' and assumed wealth <--- note; that some people claiming they're the REALEST use that sole point as a weakness in some which I find is incredibly stupid.

Lastly, rawness is, if anything, found FIRST to a new jack or growing bboy/breaker in CYPHERS.
Thus, the jams you or they go to must have that RAW feel. If the music and or the people themselves suck
I'm sorry, then you'd have to watch and learn from either the internet (lol!) or take a vacation to a city
that has a known music history. Specifically in hip-hop. Get in there and just DANCE. Then source from that.

peace