how is this Hip Hop

[Bboykenny]

Originally Posted by homeopt

What makes it commercial ? Because it's choreographed ? Then what are routines that bboy crews do ? Aren't they choreographed as well ?

yeah but the routines that the bboys crews do have bboy style added.
and commercial hip hop have no bboy style added.

Its like wtf media people (dances) go see what hip hop means and and dont call this stuff hip hop when theres no bboy style added.

[Chaz]

"Hip Hop" dancing is completely different from hip hop the CULTURE. That dance is pretty much formed around RnB (the new stuff, not the old), mainstream hip hop and club music. It is a completely different thing to hip hop the culture and is more mainstream.

It is "Hip hop" choreo because they're dancing to mainstream "hip hop" music

hope ive helped

[Ruffian]

I lot of bboys I know refer to Hip-Hop dance simply as "choreo". Also sometimes you will see some popping moves in choreo as well as steps from old school hip hop dances. To be honest I rather see this style of dancing labeled hip hop vs mainstream rap and r&b "music" as being labeled "hip-hop".

edit:

ANOTHER thing! A lot of bboys hate on choreography hardcore. It actually takes a lot of skill to do. It does not necessarily have to be to wack ass mainstream music either. There's a lot of creativity and musicality involved in creating these kind of routines. Watch some shit that's not on MTV. LOL. It's not that easy to pick up and follow either(advanced classes that is). Same way with breakin. Just a different style of dance. If you can't appreciate it, it's all good.

[Hardkor]

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Oh God are yu people stupid.
Here's a few things I want you to know:

1. The "4 elements" was just a slogan meant to give some spotlight to the lesser known elements of hip-hop.
It was an easy way of saying that "there's more to hip-hop than just rap".
There are many more elements to hip-hop and the number of the elements is constsntly growing.
Hip-hop would be really dull if you had to be limited to just 4 forms of artistic expression.
2. The dance called freestyle hip-hop (yes, that's its real name) was created in the early 80's and was a mix of all the club dance styles more or less associated with hip-hop culture (including breaking, popping, locking but also new jack swing, harlem shake and many other styles thatno longer exist on their own).
3. Freestyle hip-hop is not "choreo" and the best music for it is not what you call "mainstream rap and r'n'b",
If you say that, you're either dumb or ignorant.
4. How can freestyle hip-hop have a bboy style if it's a different dance style?
5. How the fuck can you judge a dance when you obviously didn't do any researsh on it?
I mean serioulsy, you guys are forming you opinions without knowing anything but stereotypes.
It's like saying the French are wearing striped shirts, berrets and have large moustaches, the Africans are all savages thet wear war paint and throw spears and the Americans are eating nothing but fast food, are uneducated in any aspect of life and they all love war.
You see where I'm going with this?
No?
It's like the people that say that breaking... sorry, break dance is just rolling around on the floor and acrobatics.
Get it now?
6. Yes, you can do ANYTHING and still be hip-hop
Hip-hop is not the things you do but the approach you have when doing it.
There is no way of doing hip-hop, there's just a hip-hop way of doing things.

Probably most of you won't even fully appreciatE the things I'm saying because I don't have the fame needed to get through to most of you.
I've been explaining thi hip -hop dane thing several times on this board but for every person that will understand, a dozen more ignorants appear.
It's a never ending cycle but someone has got to do it or the truth will simply dissapear in the sea of bull shit.

[homeopt]

Originally Posted by Hardkor

READ THIS!!!
READ THIS!!!
READ THIS!!!

Oh God are yu people stupid.
Here's a few things I want you to know:

1. The "4 elements" was just a slogan meant to give some spotlight to the lesser known elements of hip-hop.
It was an easy way of saying that "there's more to hip-hop than just rap".
There are many more elements to hip-hop and the number of the elements is constsntly growing.
Hip-hop would be really dull if you had to be limited to just 4 forms of artistic expression.
2. The dance called freestyle hip-hop (yes, that's its real name) was created in the early 80's and was a mix of all the club dance styles more or less associated with hip-hop culture (including breaking, popping, locking but also new jack swing, harlem shake and many other styles thatno longer exist on their own).
3. Freestyle hip-hop is not "choreo" and the best music for it is not what you call "mainstream rap and r'n'b",
If you say that, you're either dumb or ignorant.
4. How can freestyle hip-hop have a bboy style if it's a different dance style?
5. How the fuck can you judge a dance when you obviously didn't do any researsh on it?
I mean serioulsy, you guys are forming you opinions without knowing anything but stereotypes.
It's like saying the French are wearing striped shirts, berrets and have large moustaches, the Africans are all savages thet wear war paint and throw spears and the Americans are eating nothing but fast food, are uneducated in any aspect of life and they all love war.
You see where I'm going with this?
No?
It's like the people that say that breaking... sorry, break dance is just rolling around on the floor and acrobatics.
Get it now?
6. Yes, you can do ANYTHING and still be hip-hop
Hip-hop is not the things you do but the approach you have when doing it.
There is no way of doing hip-hop, there's just a hip-hop way of doing things.

Probably most of you won't even fully appreciatE the things I'm saying because I don't have the fame needed to get through to most of you.
I've been explaining thi hip -hop dane thing several times on this board but for every person that will understand, a dozen more ignorants appear.
It's a never ending cycle but someone has got to do it or the truth will simply dissapear in the sea of bull shit.

Nicely said.

[Speedster]

Originally Posted by Hardkor

READ THIS!!!
READ THIS!!!
READ THIS!!!

Oh God are yu people stupid.
Here's a few things I want you to know:

1. The "4 elements" was just a slogan meant to give some spotlight to the lesser known elements of hip-hop.
It was an easy way of saying that "there's more to hip-hop than just rap".
There are many more elements to hip-hop and the number of the elements is constsntly growing.
Hip-hop would be really dull if you had to be limited to just 4 forms of artistic expression.
2. The dance called freestyle hip-hop (yes, that's its real name) was created in the early 80's and was a mix of all the club dance styles more or less associated with hip-hop culture (including breaking, popping, locking but also new jack swing, harlem shake and many other styles thatno longer exist on their own).
3. Freestyle hip-hop is not "choreo" and the best music for it is not what you call "mainstream rap and r'n'b",
If you say that, you're either dumb or ignorant.
4. How can freestyle hip-hop have a bboy style if it's a different dance style?
5. How the fuck can you judge a dance when you obviously didn't do any researsh on it?
I mean serioulsy, you guys are forming you opinions without knowing anything but stereotypes.
It's like saying the French are wearing striped shirts, berrets and have large moustaches, the Africans are all savages thet wear war paint and throw spears and the Americans are eating nothing but fast food, are uneducated in any aspect of life and they all love war.
You see where I'm going with this?
No?
It's like the people that say that breaking... sorry, break dance is just rolling around on the floor and acrobatics.
Get it now?
6. Yes, you can do ANYTHING and still be hip-hop
Hip-hop is not the things you do but the approach you have when doing it.
There is no way of doing hip-hop, there's just a hip-hop way of doing things.

Probably most of you won't even fully appreciatE the things I'm saying because I don't have the fame needed to get through to most of you.
I've been explaining thi hip -hop dane thing several times on this board but for every person that will understand, a dozen more ignorants appear.
It's a never ending cycle but someone has got to do it or the truth will simply dissapear in the sea of bull shit.

True, but you missed the point. I think what the people are saying is why is it called hip-hop dancing? It would be like calling a peticular graffiti handstyle 'hip-hop writing'. Even if there are 20 elements to hip-hop, no single form of it can claim to be 'hip-hop' in its entirety.

So yes, I still have a problem with it being called hip-hop dance, because it doesn't integrate any actual hip-hop music and very little or no breaking. You're question "4. How can freestyle hip-hop have a bboy style if it's a different dance style?" yet just before it you mention all the different styles that it does contain(harlem shake, popping, etc.) But I think the real problem lies in the labeling of music. As long our radio hip hop is considered hip hop, then this will be considered hip hop dancing.

[funkollective]

i wanna here what Ness has to say about this

[Bboykenny]

so hip hop is a dance
and breaking is a different kind of dance.

so you can say lets go do hip hop and you can be meaning 30 different things right?
so be specific when you talk about hip hop right?

[Hardkor]

Originally Posted by Speedster

True, but you missed the point. I think what the people are saying is why is it called hip-hop dancing? It would be like calling a peticular graffiti handstyle 'hip-hop writing'. Even if there are 20 elements to hip-hop, no single form of it can claim to be 'hip-hop' in its entirety.

So yes, I still have a problem with it being called hip-hop dance, because it doesn't integrate any actual hip-hop music and very little or no breaking. You're question "4. How can freestyle hip-hop have a bboy style if it's a different dance style?" yet just before it you mention all the different styles that it does contain(harlem shake, popping, etc.) But I think the real problem lies in the labeling of music. As long our radio hip hop is considered hip hop, then this will be considered hip hop dancing.

I wrote that to point out all the incorrect statements made in this thread.

Now, why is it called hip-hop dancing?
Simply because the creators of this dance called it that.
In 1993, if I remember correctly, Wanted crew decided to rename the dance and call it "new style".
The name was quite popular for a while (especially in Europe) but the creators kind of got pissed and started to spread the knowledge and now it's back to being called hip-hop again.

Regarding question 4:
This dance does contain elements of breaking but that doesn't mean that it's supposed to have a bboy style.
The true difference between one dance style and te other lies not in the moves but in the groove.
The groove is basically the way you do your moves.
For example:
Toprocking was partially influenced by uprocking and contains elements of it but the groove is different.
Toprocking was also influenced by the dance styles labeled as "Latin American" and contains elements of it but they're being used in a different way.
What I'm trying to say is, you can do any type of move in any dance style, as long as you maintain the groove of that particular dance style.
I know it may seem like crap but ask any experienced dancer and he/she will tell you the same thing.

As for the music:
Just because MTV is showing people dancing to Lil Wayne, Rick Ross and all that other bull shit doesn't mean you're supposed to dance to it.

[Shankavelli]

hip hop is making something out of nothing

[Bboykenny]

Originally Posted by Shankavelli

hip hop is making something out of nothing

what?

[y0ukeun]

lol