Should bboying be considered a sport?

[vromimaru]

Originally Posted by stellargiggs

I just watched the Olympics.

I see bboying similar to figure skating, where both are a sport and are artistic, and both have an almost unexplainable judging system

yeah I was watching too the figure skating , and I also thought that they are similar in some things ,but they judge looking at the technique and comparing with a predefined pattern, and looks like in figure skating there are no real rhythm , no creativity and they don't show their personality through it.
No hating on figure skating, just comparing with bboying.

[y0ukeun]

Originally Posted by vromimaru

yeah I was watching too the figure skating , and I also thought that they are similar in some things ,but they judge looking at the technique and comparing with a predefined pattern, and looks like in figure skating there are no real rhythm , no creativity and they don't show their personality through it.
No hating on figure skating, just comparing with bboying.

I would have to disagree... I do believe that there is indeed rhythm, creativity and personality in figure skating. Bboys dance to hard beats. The "rhythm" they have when they dance is actually much more primitive than other dance forms. First off, bboys only dance to 4/4 time. Even then, they mostly pay attention to the snare, which falls on 2 and 4.
Lol I would love to see a bboy try to dance to 3/4, 6/8, or 5/4 time.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, (and no offense intended towards anybody), it's hard to see the rhythm in other dancers' movements if your knowledge of rhythm itself is limited.

As for creativity and personality, I think the figure skaters speak for themselves. Aside from their technical jumps and spins, which appear to be required for the performance, the choreography and their movements display their personality..

[vromimaru]

Originally Posted by y0ukeun

I would have to disagree... I do believe that there is indeed rhythm, creativity and personality in figure skating. Bboys dance to hard beats. The "rhythm" they have when they dance is actually much more primitive than other dance forms. First off, bboys only dance to 4/4 time. Even then, they mostly pay attention to the snare, which falls on 2 and 4.
Lol I would love to see a bboy try to dance to 3/4, 6/8, or 5/4 time.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, (and no offense intended towards anybody), it's hard to see the rhythm in other dancers' movements if your knowledge of rhythm itself is limited.

As for creativity and personality, I think the figure skaters speak for themselves. Aside from their technical jumps and spins, which appear to be required for the performance, the choreography and their movements display their personality..

ok, they have some creativity, but... they all are doing the same thing basically, you can see a diference between Paranoid Android and Kid David you know what I mean?
I don't see that in figure skating.

P.S : I speak from ignorance to figure skating hahaha

[AlphaTrion]

Originally Posted by ToyzOfZion

so hip-hop choreo, salsa, tango, ballet, step, jazz, popping, locking, etc all have competitions and all of them have judges... they are more organized than bboy events are...

doesnt make them sports.

In my opinion yes. The numerous organizations that have been trying to get salsa and ballroom into the olympics would agree with me. They classify it as "dancesport"

20 years ago no one would call skateboarding, snowboarding or bmx a sport either but that's certainly not the case today.

Again, I really don't understand the negative connotation. Are you afraid that if we let it be called a sport people will stop feeling the music and just do tricks? Or that b-boys will be exploited? Or promoters will throw events that only focus on the competition aspect and not on the cypher?

Hate to break it to you but all that shit's been happening for decades.

[y0ukeun]

Originally Posted by vromimaru

ok, they have some creativity, but... they all are doing the same thing basically, you can see a diference between Paranoid Android and Kid David you know what I mean?
I don't see that in figure skating.

P.S : I speak from ignorance to figure skating hahaha

No I see what you're saying. I agree. There obviously is a lot more creativity in bboying. My only point was that there is creativity in figure skating. I'm ignorant to it too lol...I was watching the olympics with the wife though. As someone mentioned earlier, I saw some similarities to judging style with bboys.

[roryrocket]

Breakin is an artistic and culturally based personal form of expression.

but to me many competitions are sports.

[streetdweller]

you can make art out of anything.
you can be artistic in the way you play soccer, you can be artistic with a ball, ... boxing, kung fu... all those are ARTS... they can also be sports

a competition can be a game, it can be a sport... but to the individual the dance will always be an art.
if it is not, then you are not dancing.

[skeptic]

Originally Posted by vromimaru

ok, they have some creativity, but... they all are doing the same thing basically, you can see a diference between Paranoid Android and Kid David you know what I mean?
I don't see that in figure skating.

P.S : I speak from ignorance to figure skating hahaha

And who knows maybe figure skaters can tell others apart iin their art form and look at bboys as doing the "same thing"

didn't X-games have bboying at one point?

[y0ukeun]

Originally Posted by skeptic

And who knows maybe figure skaters can tell others apart iin their art form and look at bboys as doing the "same thing"

didn't X-games have bboying at one point?

Agreed. Everytime I talk to any friends that don't know anything about bboying, they always say "it looks like they're all doing the same thing"

[stellargiggs]

Originally Posted by vromimaru

and looks like in _________ (insert anything) there are no real rhythm , no creativity and they don't show their personality through it..

that is a generic "bboy-ish argument" for almost anything that is not bboying


there is rhythm and creativity in many things in life that do not have to have a set pattern of beats & hits. you just have to open your eyes more and appreciate all forms of art.

[stellargiggs]

Art or sport? Skating can be both | NBC Olympics

The reason I brought up figure skating was because even the people in that genre are having the "Art vs Sport" debate.

For instance, in the men's finals, the winner won because he danced & expressed his skating better. (As opposed to the 2nd place guy, who obviously did more harder turns & maneuvers)

Lysacek Win: Art Over Athleticism - CBS Evening News - CBS News

[Swift Nyce]

people quit being dumb ... depending of the situation sometimes its a sport sometimes its not... BUT no matter what its always a dance and a work of art... and besides technically it is a sport... but i wont get much into it because we have very stubborn bboys... even the "pros" i alrdy seen some comment that made me feel smart as hell because what some of them said