Should bboying be considered a sport?

[EDSMASTER]

Originally Posted by Shankavelli

pan if you peep this whole thread, you willsee that i put you right behind nycb as one of the first who tried to get breaking to be a sport
as for tony hawk, he used to kick it in hayward where my ex was from, thats actualy how i aproached him lol
crazy part was when he said "yea man, your alien ness right?"
hahaha
him and wesly snipes were the only "mainstream celebs to actualy call me by my name before i introduced myself, wesly from hearing me get shout outs during rsc anniversaries, he used to attend them all the time and a self proclaimed fan of zulu nation and rock steady crrew

Thanks Ness for the acknowledgement.... It seems you would be of a very few people who do...
LOL! You got Blade (Snipes) as a Fan of yours! Now you can say that you have made it brother!

[Swift Nyce]

Originally Posted by Shankavelli

you are 100% wrong,
i want breaking to be concidered a sport where cats can make tony hawk money.
but if you think i forgot what this dance is about you are absolutely wrong, i live it 24 hors a day, i dont go to an event once a day and rock, im in the clubs everynote honing my dance skills.
breaking for yourself is one thing, but if your going to enter a contest with big money on the line, in an areana with spectators, guess what that equals to....

THANK YOU

[Blankshotz]

I skateboard i been in the scene for a while. Bboys could make as much money as pro skaters. Like an average skateboard is like 150-200 dollars. Then our shoes are like 60-100 dollars, our pants are like 40+ dollars, and clothes aren't cheap either. Bboying could make moneyas much money as skating off clothes or equipmen i dunno why someone would say that it couldn't. Though in skating a lot people steal shit. Skaters aren't rich so there like bboys. But in the skate scene tony hawk isn't really considered how do we say in. He is kinda like rejected we call his shit poser stuff. Basically kids liek ryan sheckler and so and so are called sell outs tony hawk is inbetween. Its kinda hard to explain its like if they do deals and stuff they get hated on. Like Tony hawk has good rep with people who skated in the 80s now a days skaters are like whatever he aint special he is kinda loser. The reason skating got compiled so easy was because they had really smart people in the biz they were all nerds a lot of em. And they started from scratch and build up they somewhat knew what theywere doing and where they wanted to go. Does breaking know where they want to go? Like trust me breaking can make as much money if it was a sport like that. Skaters make money off sponsopship im pretty sure bboys can do that too. Sorry if it was a lil bit off topic im not dissing tony hawk im telling it from a skaters perspective.

[Swift Nyce]

Originally Posted by Blankshotz

I skateboard i been in the scene for a while. Bboys could make as much money as pro skaters. Like an average skateboard is like 150-200 dollars. Then our shoes are like 60-100 dollars, our pants are like 40+ dollars, and clothes aren't cheap either. Bboying could make moneyas much money as skating off clothes or equipmen i dunno why someone would say that it couldn't. Though in skating a lot people steal shit. Skaters aren't rich so there like bboys. But in the skate scene tony hawk isn't really considered how do we say in. He is kinda like rejected we call his shit poser stuff. Basically kids liek ryan sheckler and so and so are called sell outs tony hawk is inbetween. Its kinda hard to explain its like if they do deals and stuff they get hated on. Like Tony hawk has good rep with people who skated in the 80s now a days skaters are like whatever he aint special he is kinda loser. The reason skating got compiled so easy was because they had really smart people in the biz they were all nerds a lot of em. And they started from scratch and build up they somewhat knew what theywere doing and where they wanted to go. Does breaking know where they want to go? Like trust me breaking can make as much money if it was a sport like that. Skaters make money off sponsopship im pretty sure bboys can do that too. Sorry if it was a lil bit off topic im not dissing tony hawk im telling it from a skaters perspective.

our scene has many ignorant people who are hard headed and wants the scene to NOT evovle ... when people tries to bring something new to the table most of the time people cast it away with out even looking into it.... people think onces bboying gets CRAZY main stream the cyphers are gonna be gone and there is no real ness and blah blah... well guess what they happens in the smallest most local jam to...

it just has to be done correctly... and either( to the people who bitches) throw your own cyphers if not... Shut the fuck up... here is another thing many of these so called bboys... which im starting to understand why alien ness says there is no such thing as bboys... any ways these so called bboys expect shit to just come to them..... and if they are not in charge of it they bitch about it... i can keep going on with the problem with this scene...

many people said the tv is killing our scene American best dance crew is killing our scene.. or redbull w.e no niggas one of the main reason our scene is being rapped is becuase people dont do SHIT about it and just sit there and BITCH their ass off

this goes to todays "bboys" and bboys from back the days not all but MOST <------ Read carefully please

P.S. dont bitch about tony hawk if he helped the skating scene get big -.-

[bby_grl]

Of course it should be considered a sport, as well as dance. It's a way of living, a lifestyle

[Floorbrat]

This is a very interesting issue and I see points being made by both sides. But here is my view with some facts....

It is a valid argument that bboying is a sport, but that it can only be defined that way by the moment and setting. I think its better to say that many bboy competitions are sporting events. We can't just define bboying as a sport, because it doesn't fit the definition at every instance. The fact is that we can always label and define bboying as a dance. The fact is that bboying is the original dance form of hip hop. The fact is that bboying is expressed mainly through the music. There are instances where bboying is really just an highly self expressible dance form. I mean if you put bboying in the setting of theater we can not consider it a sport. This is an interesting and an issue that can really lead to other arguments such as.. Can we consider dj battles a sport? etc

I don't necessarily think just because we title of bboying as a sport that it will lead us to becoming wealthier. There are plenty of sports that still don't get recognition and that don't really have an market. Wealth is really something that is created with mental and physical skill, or it can just be luck. Bboying is new to our society, and its not really accepted in many cultures yet. The mentality of most of our culture is still in a young state of mind. There are too many egos, and there are too many disputes about unnecessary things. Ultimately the industry doesn't trust it yet. For the most part bboying is still on some street shit. Hopefully it will only be a matter of time until things will mature. As bboys we have many issues with professionalism, so until then improves thats when we can really make bigger steps. There aren't any billionaires behind it, and there are barely any millionaires behind it to fund it.

Regardless of it all even if events do become bigger, the cyphers and all the "real" shit will exist as long as the people that do know whats up pass down the torch and keep educating the essence.

[y0ukeun]

Originally Posted by Kaal

sorry but bboying is not PURE artistic creativity
how many CREATIVE bboys do you see at a jam? out of 10 bboys only one will be fucking creative, there are a lot of bboys that look alike and thats the truth, face it

..and talking about judging with a set of premade paterns
How many time do you see US bboys saying "OOH HE DIDNT DO FOOTWORK HE LOSES" isnt that part of a pattern, isnt that like, if u dont do freeze, power, top and footwork you lose? think about it.. also bboys put jsut as much effort if not MORE in their dance than gymnasts in their sport.
bboying can VERY easily be a sport

Agreed. Most bboys only claim creativity. Aside from a select few, the majority of the bboy population (even the good ones) just jack their moves from everybody else..

[kill_city]

There is a plus and negative for everything.

Skating is a good example to compare to breaking as they share several similarities.

You have the purists in both forms.

guys like Jay Adams when he would skate he would never do the same run. dude was innovate and would try somthing innovative and different everytime he'd do a run as opposed to planned out set.

Same thing is breaking you have guys who have a few set runs and that's them where you also have cats who throdown to the music to their emotions to express.

In skating you still have cats who are tru to themselves and skate because it is thair passion and lifestyle and you have some very atlented skaters who do also enjoy it but their motivations are different. In the end real will recognise real and keep doing their thing long after corporation have come in and had their way.

Classic example of this would be dudes like Rick Howard and their involvment with DC dudes started a label from grass roots, it expanded when the corporations wanted a peice sold it off and started something new. Cats who are in skating for real know about this and obviously could see the difference in motives of DC they too moved on the ignorant masses continue to be ignorant and I'm sure that doesn't concern dudes who are heavily involved with the scene.

[Blankshotz]

Originally Posted by kill_city

There is a plus and negative for everything.

Skating is a good example to compare to breaking as they share several similarities.

You have the purists in both forms.

guys like Jay Adams when he would skate he would never do the same run. dude was innovate and would try somthing innovative and different everytime he'd do a run as opposed to planned out set.

Same thing is breaking you have guys who have a few set runs and that's them where you also have cats who throdown to the music to their emotions to express.

In skating you still have cats who are tru to themselves and skate because it is thair passion and lifestyle and you have some very atlented skaters who do also enjoy it but their motivations are different. In the end real will recognise real and keep doing their thing long after corporation have come in and had their way.

Classic example of this would be dudes like Rick Howard and their involvment with DC dudes started a label from grass roots, it expanded when the corporations wanted a peice sold it off and started something new. Cats who are in skating for real know about this and obviously could see the difference in motives of DC they too moved on the ignorant masses continue to be ignorant and I'm sure that doesn't concern dudes who are heavily involved with the scene.

The only people that will make money off breakin are the people that know how to market themselves.In skating we have hella good skaters that are as better then lets say Mike V or Bam which we call sellouts. THat should be sponsored but since they are on tv they don't ahve to be as good as they use to be. So they really stop skating. They are marketable and others aren't. I'm pretty sure if bboying has cash flowing through it will be similar to this. Basically as kill said only the true heads will know. Skating has many tv events and right now there is a big debtae in the scene to bring it to the olympics. And there disccussing what were disscussing about selling out will it be only for the cash no real love for the sport. Cause nowadays people are skating for the money most of the time not for the love of it. And thats what some pros are afraid of if it goes olympic status more of this will happen but it will bring more people in and be more repected.

[stellargiggs]

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[roxrite95]

Bboyn will always be a dance no matter what.. But we do deserve to get paid like athletes.. I believe it should be marketed like sports.. Without labeling it a sport..

Rox

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[maxx00x]

Originally Posted by stellargiggs

http://www.bboyworld.com/forum/bboyw...ml#post1004103

please check out the new Strife interview we did
it's golden

i find it ironic crazy legs is so adamant its not a sport and yet wears a red bull hat. a company that only sponsors sports....but i feel personally we have too much invested in both labels. why limit ourselves...lets get paid as dancers and athletes. athletes got more of a chance for insurance for injuries.