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Rivalnbk · 03-09-2010, 06:30 AM

Ness this is a quick question why dont the pioneers to this art ..(pioneers not just cause of age but meaning skill and what they have contributed to bboying) come together and put out rules or regulations to judging.in which anyone the will ever judge have to abide by..just like in any other profession or art form cause honestly at the end of the day judging now regardless of the years of traingin or skille level someone has ...its all based on opinions of what one thinks..? This will definetely set a milestone to this art form, dance, and sport..
PEACE

Shankavelli · 03-09-2010, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Rivalnbk

Ness this is a quick question why dont the pioneers to this art ..(pioneers not just cause of age but meaning skill and what they have contributed to bboying) come together and put out rules or regulations to judging.in which anyone the will ever judge have to abide by..just like in any other profession or art form cause honestly at the end of the day judging now regardless of the years of traingin or skille level someone has ...its all based on opinions of what one thinks..? This will definetely set a milestone to this art form, dance, and sport..
PEACE

ive always felt this way too.
unfortunately its real hard to et pioneeers to sit at the table for WORK.
just from my observations (and tis is my oppinion not fact) i belive that the "bboy rivalry" the pioneers had, has become a "business rivalry"
ive seen alot of shady shit, and even gone thru some myself, with pioneers cutting throat, and preventing others from getting jobs such as judging.
i have one who keeps doing it every chance he/she gets.
back in the day, if you wasnt crew, you was enemy, and some still arry this tradition subconciously, to the point where even if they know a crew mate wont do a good a job as you, they will still push you out and put in a crew mate with less experience. whiich is wack if you ask me cause they are thinking hook up my crew, and not get the right man for the job.
then you have to remember that you also got pioneers that simply cant judge! and even woste, legends or pioneers who have not had thier eyes and ears on the streets, come out the wood work cause they think they can get a lill pocket change, or re-live the glory days with new found noteriety, and bumrush thier way into places they couldve been if they kept it up, but shouldnt be cause they dont understasnd the evolution of the dance and see its full spectrum.

MarkusMeatvest · 03-09-2010, 11:03 AM

I think splitting up the components of the dance whatever they are considered in a judging system can be a mistake.
You need to look at the whole picture, bboying is more than just the sum of it's parts.
It's all the in betweens, the details, how the components complement eachother, the context of whats being done.

just my view

Shankavelli · 03-09-2010, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkusMeatvest

I think splitting up the components of the dance whatever they are considered in a judging system can be a mistake.
You need to look at the whole picture, bboying is more than just the sum of it's parts.
It's all the in betweens, the details, how the components complement eachother, the context of whats being done.

just my view

i kinda agree, but i agree with dyzees system cause dyzee tyries to get the best in each catogory he can to judge each catogory,

for instance, just to throw names out........
mr me riggels would judge just top rocks
ken swift wold judge just footwork
ivan would judge just power
etc etc etc
when you have a system like this, and you get the right judges i can agree with it.

Simeon · 03-09-2010, 01:05 PM

yeah the system seemed to work pretty well. Holding up the signs.. now that one has one advantage to it that people don't realize right away..
The audience. People who don't know anything about this dance can still watch it. If you put it on tv and people watch it, see the scores of the dynamics and whatever, they can start relating the points to the teams, and eventually you will actually have people who could actually say "oh yeah, they did more clean" or "oh yeah they had good battle attitude.." So it really makes it more interesting for the bboys to see what the judges thought.. and it makes it more interesting for a normal person to start getting interested about breaking, and trying to understand it. So I really think this can be one of those types of bboying tournaments that could actually be put on tv, coz it makes it a lot more watchable. And.. I did try to look at the scores sometimes.. but eventually I just kept watching the bboys and I forgot about the boards.. its actually pretty boring to watch them, and pretty much expectable what is gonna be there.

Also I asked rubberlegz, and all he said was that it's more fair. Apparently last year teams like all area crew were able to take some battles by knocking up the heat during the last rounds of the battle. This way the judges get sort of a feeling in the end they are better.. but this doesnt cut it anymore. No judge is gonna forget what happened in the beginning, coz they don't even have to remember. They just judge round for round, and points are counted. They don't have to make any decisions like "who do you think won"..

Bas · 03-09-2010, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Shankavelli

i kinda agree, but i agree with dyzees system cause dyzee tyries to get the best in each catogory he can to judge each catogory,

for instance, just to throw names out........
mr me riggels would judge just top rocks
ken swift wold judge just footwork
ivan would judge just power
etc etc etc
when you have a system like this, and you get the right judges i can agree with it.

offcource not cause now a days sets are a mix off all, and if the judges only judge on that one move in that set they're nor gonna get the whole picture.

like footwork into a single flare back to footwork, you gonna let someone judge that single flare- offcource not, because that flare is part off that whole footwork transition, jet its a powermove

bboying is not power footwork toprock or freezes- it is all that and more, breaking runs down in single categorys just won't work because off that.

judges just need to know what is up!!!!! be alround!!!! having a good understanding on power footwork tops and freezes!!!!, i know enough judges who don't seem to know that a flare to 1990 with your leg draging all over the floor is cheating and simply reward that shit

Carsten · 03-09-2010, 02:47 PM

Dyzee explained his system to me a while back when we met in the states.
Honestly people, wait until your really know the deatils, this system ain't bad.
It's simply as Ness said, get the best (or legit) judges for each category and it will work.
Plus, at the end of the day, your system can be as good as possible, some cats will always complain.

As for the judges, there are quite some possibilites:
Toprock: Wiggles, Ynot
Footwork: Kenny, Poe, Storm
Power: Orko, Storm, Ivan
Tactic/Attitude: Kmel, Ness, Bebe

Shankavelli · 03-09-2010, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Carsten

Dyzee explained his system to me a while back when we met in the states.
Honestly people, wait until your really know the deatils, this system ain't bad.
It's simply as Ness said, get the best (or legit) judges for each category and it will work.
Plus, at the end of the day, your system can be as good as possible, some cats will always complain.

As for the judges, there are quite some possibilites:
Toprock: Wiggles, Ynot
Footwork: Kenny, Poe, Storm
Power: Orko, Storm, Ivan
Tactic/Attitude: Kmel, Ness, Bebe

thanx for the love c
but like i said, its gotta be experience peeps that k now what they are doing, some cats dont see some of my patterns as power, but i do have footwork patterns that are power and airmoves combined into footwork.
its really tough in this day and age of non apreciation

Carsten · 03-09-2010, 03:46 PM

I know Ness, but real heads know what's up so we give respect and get respect back, we give love and get love back. At the end of the day, that's the only way our culture can live on.

So keep doing your thing.

And judging... man, it's judging. This means it was hard, it is hard and it will always be hard, simply because even if you have the most experienced judges, some people won't understand and won't agree with a certain call. Fuck it, cause the bboys and bgirls who've been around for some time know to what it comes down at the end of the day: you win some, you loose some. And once more one gotta say: true bboying takes place in the circles, lol.

One.

Carsten

Shankavelli · 03-09-2010, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Carsten

I know Ness, but real heads know what's up so we give respect and get respect back, we give love and get love back. At the end of the day, that's the only way our culture can live on.

So keep doing your thing.

And judging... man, it's judging. This means it was hard, it is hard and it will always be hard, simply because even if you have the most experienced judges, some people won't understand and won't agree with a certain call. Fuck it, cause the bboys and bgirls who've been around for some time know to what it comes down at the end of the day: you win some, you loose some. And once more one gotta say: true bboying takes place in the circles, lol.

One.

Carsten

oh dont get it twisted, alot of people will always have an oppinion on wether a judge is right or wrong, but if a judge cannot, sit back and explian himself and why he came to that descision, and in the proccess help the loser learn something new that can better his battling skills, then that judge is not worth 2 shits and i mean it just like that, THEY AINT WORTH 2 SHITS, much less the money promoters are paying them.
example.
one of my mzk members was rescently in a toprock battle, he knew he won, his oppinent knew my nigga won, THE CROWD KNEW MY NIGGA WON. instead, the judges gave it to the guy who chilled with them that weekeknd and took both judges workshops.
when my boy stepped to the judge and asked for an explination, pointing out it was biased cause the guys is his friend and student the judge told him , and i quote "well if im judging a battle, AND YOU DO NOT DO MY FOUNDATION, theres no chance of you winning"

WTF?
do i have to buy his instructional and bite his shit to win a battle?

its situations like this that pisses me off about compititions, its all about fanboys, groupies, and homeboys, not getting the right person for the job

yom10 · 03-09-2010, 05:00 PM

no matter of points, i don't think it would be good to separate sections of dancing with judges. Each judges, if they're good, (open minded, with a serious knowledge), would not be enclosed in only one category of the bboyin'. The hardest thing is too find a judge that can explain with details in each rouds why you won or why you lost your battle, including a clear explaination. For me, i can't see people voting deuce, or only in any rare occasions.

allelement · 03-09-2010, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bas

offcource not cause now a days sets are a mix off all, and if the judges only judge on that one move in that set they're nor gonna get the whole picture.

like footwork into a single flare back to footwork, you gonna let someone judge that single flare- offcource not, because that flare is part off that whole footwork transition, jet its a powermove

bboying is not power footwork toprock or freezes- it is all that and more, breaking runs down in single categorys just won't work because off that.

judges just need to know what is up!!!!! be alround!!!! having a good understanding on power footwork tops and freezes!!!!, i know enough judges who don't seem to know that a flare to 1990 with your leg draging all over the floor is cheating and simply reward that shit

qft.