New judging system?

[erwin123]

Originally Posted by Shankavelli

free your mind and the rest will follow

be color blind and don't be so shallow

[Shankavelli]

lol
thats funny, its actyaly a parliment funkadelic quote.
i really hope your not saying im shallow (i wouldnt put it pass you tho) cause in reality the world knows im oceans deep.

[koreankev]

past originality and stuff
wouldn't this scoring system make it harder for bboys to just be themselves
without having to think about hitting the different categories in the back of their mind?

[cuchito31]

Originally Posted by koreankev

past originality and stuff
wouldn't this scoring system make it harder for bboys to just be themselves
without having to think about hitting the different categories in the back of their mind?

^^^
i agree, i think everyone who should ever even be considered as a judge should know what a b-boy does and what they should look like, i think just saying round 1, crew/bboy 1 goes, then crew/bboy 2 goes, who ever had the strongest between those two took that round, add up the rounds and thats it. real heads know who won what round, unless it gets very intricate where both cats are on point and you basically just gotta watch to see who fucks up first

[dyzeesnd]

Yo Ness. That is freakin crazy man!! No wonder you havent been returning my Private messages! Ok ill ask for it from your wifey.

KoreanKev,
I totally understand your questions and concerns which you have stated above... and let me assure you that this system was designed so that you arent forced to dance according to the categories. If you look at what each category means, you will see that they are all things that bboys SHOULD be doing, however not forced or limited to doing since the way the winner is deteremnined is by winning majority of the categories. For instance, lets say a super powerhead wants to win a battle. His foundation is average and his originality is average too. He most likely will win in the Dynammics/Techniqe category, as long as he Executes better and Battles better, then he can win without havinging to be forced to become a foundation dancer or have to be original. In this system, any style has a fair chance of winning. I just want to remind you that a full detailed documentary explanation will be released about the system. Its 11 years in the making and its really worth keeping an open mind.
Peace

[dyzeesnd]

Yo Ness. I think erwin was just playing off the quote you said. its actually the lyrics of a song which goes
Free your mind, and the rest will follow, be color blind, dont be so shallow. He posted up the video below. Its a classic
But I really need to contact you ASAP. below my name is my email. If you can shoot me a quick email, It would be greatly appreciated bro.

[Bas]

Originally Posted by Swift Nyce

if you are all around then you will get points in every category that is simple shit... its not rocket science ... you do no footwork or power or top rock but only do freezes and tricks.. then you are gonna get less points... if you are good you can throw many moves if not then get your ass to training... not that hard stop trying to want a judging system that lets the loser win.... like today so many ppl that should of lost wins.... but that is becuase we dont have a good judging system

read my post again i wasn't talking about that!!! did i gave a example about someone doing only blowups, no i gave a example about someone beeing all round. mmh maybe you should first read carefully

i was saying that letting someone judge a single category aint gonna work!


the whole idea is that bboying is one, so YOU CAN"T BREAK IT DOWN LIKE THAT

[dyzeesnd]

explain why cant you break it down like that? The 5 views (categories) of bboying encompass everything about the dance. Have you ever judged big level events before? If so, tell me how easy it is to watch a battle and account for everything that happens, document it for further explanation and be thorough enough to even account for the quality.

[Bas]

ok i explained in my previous post,

but to sum it up a bboy set is usually build up from different things
but these things alone are nothing worth mentioning sometimes
, like for instance a set with flare footwork/backrocks pikefreeze frontflip tops all in all these moves aint much special(a specially in that order), BUT THE ORDER THEY ARE IN the way you transition out or in a move can make all the difference in the world, it can make that set with the exact same moves great,
THATS WHY YOUR SYSTEM IS FLAWED IF YOU LET PEOPLE JUDGE ON INDIVIDUAL CATEGORYS, the whole concept off that set is broken down in different parts in that way and misses the whole point,

i haven't judged much big jams but my system does works the same for big and small jams
btw i never said it was easy to judge its really hard to do and there is no best system out there


nmbr 1 , YOU FALL OR MESS UP YOU LOOSE YOUR ROUND, its basicly a simple rule you have to have your shit on lockdown in a battle, no crashes no stagering or messups in your footwork, gotta come clean, if you can clean your crash up so the judges won't notice all the power to you
^^ you would think this is a universal rule but i've seen guys fall on their face and win battles

nmbr 2, BE ON THE MUSIC, this goes for tops a specially, but also for other stuf, if you can do tops footwork power and everything on the music its a MAJOR +
if you can't dance on the music be it beats or horns or whatever you loose your round!!!! this is a dance afteral!!l,
the build up off a whole set musically is a other example of what i mean --> so the breaking things up between tops and footwork and such wouldn't work here either, cause someone might be transitioning his tops or freeze or something straight into his power to catch that horn or beat

nmbr 3 CLEANES, you have raw and you have sloppy a good bboy will see the difference though (this is something else then rule nmbr 1 btw it aint crashing. you can also call this foundation or whatever you know what i mean

nmbr 4 PERSONA ATTITUDE SWAGER STYLE, hard to explain but you get me your a bboy after all

nmbr 5 for crews ARE YOU A TEAM i feel some people might as well just have met eachother and decide to dance for that battle, besides that shit happens often enough. if you have routines or dances as a crew that shows ur a reall team that helps (also if this aint clean you loose your round rule nmbr 1 again so the best routines take a lot off practice so you know the crew didn't just meet)

NMBR 6 ALL ROUNDNESS- this one depends, someone can have really good toprocks and footwork and do no power or freezes and still win the battle, but someone who shows it all does have the uper hand if the skills are about even, same for a crew a crew with just power and blowups for instance won't get very far

NMBR 7 CREATIVITY no explanation needed

NMBR 8 SKILL LEVEL- Thats why i think a good judge needs to know it all or atleast have a understanding on how hard some move can be, its about how you do your stuf and not what you do is a nice line but come one now lets be real here onehand elbowtrax are harder then turtle

NMBR 9 Repeating -

AND NMR 10 execution HOW IS A SET BUILD UP is it creative is it dope is it original is it hard is it etc

well there are more things offcource you can't judge something as varied as bboying on fixed rules and the list is not in a specific order except rule nmbr 1 wich stays on top when i judge, if you follow this you'll be surprissed on how often you will know the outcome off a battle, also THIS IS WITHOUT PLAYING FAVORITES OR BEEING BIASED,
your boy messes up he is out simple
. your oponent is more on the music he gets points over you, you bust insane moves you earn points, your transitions are mad original and creative u win points over ur oponent.

[Shankavelli]

haha
ive seen alot of cats fall on thier faces and win, and even worse than that is repeating moves.
i say repeating is worse, cause very difficult moves can leave a margine for errror, but hey if you aint gotr your shit down packed, then you shouldnt use it. ive got a millon sets, but i cant use them all becausae of floor, conditions, what i might be wearing etc. i wouldtn even try.

[bboy_Stryfe]

the system sounds great and all but i dont understand why most people in t.dot hating on it :|?
i don't get the beef in t.dot, as a young dancerin the scene its confusing when i hear peeps talkin about how snc and the system is wack :|

[bboy-mirage]

i think it was ok. i guess u cud say bboying is becoming a dancesport now so we cant do anything about it. might as well go with the flow. and hey, JINJO WON! maximmum looked like they were gonna pwn them but jinjo came out in the end ftw! i guess this means we'll have to make sure we have all these down in order to get better in battles.