New judging system? - Bboy World Com

koreankev · 03-09-2010, 12:58 AM

im a big fan of strife tv and subscribe to their uploads on youtube
and today i was watching maximum vs jinjo for r16 finals

apparently there is a new judging system coming into play,
where the judges judge based on
fundamentals
dynamics
artististry
battle
execution
and there is one judge per section

as i was watching the battle i couldn't help but be distracted by the stupid signs that judges held up after EVERY round like it was some kind of gymnastics performance
does anyone else think that this judging system is ruining hip hop?

im not sure whether this judging system is going to remain that way for all big events or etc.
but this whole bboying turning into a sport thing makes bboying lose its beauty

Shankavelli · 03-09-2010, 01:01 AM

best judgging system below

hire good judges

Swift Nyce · 03-09-2010, 01:20 AM

i made my own jugding system... yes i know i shouldnt even be jugding but it happen... and what i came up with worked perfectly... i give points for what they have done and 0 if they havent done any of it... but i range the points from 0-10 the better they do in that area the higher point they get... then at the end of the battle i combine the points and who ever has more wins..

foot work
top rop
control ( control is mainly cleanliness, the use of all the dance floor instead of staying still in one spot, being able to be near your opponent and not touch them, and making every thing face your oppponent)
musicality
power
freezes

and if its crew battle i add in teamwork

but the system that you talked about i guess that is alright... but only if its good judges... also in my opinion they need to stop making all the judges sit next to each other... i hate that so much... becuase when i judged at the end of the battle the other judges ALWAYS asked me .. so what you think -.- you aint suppose to ask you are suppose to judge and many time judges persua(spelling?) the others to pick who he wants to pick

Shankavelli · 03-09-2010, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Swift Nyce

i made my own jugding system... yes i know i shouldnt even be jugding but it happen... and what i came up with worked perfectly... i give points for what they have done and 0 if they havent done any of it... but i range the points from 0-10 the better they do in that area the higher point they get... then at the end of the battle i combine the points and who ever has more wins..

foot work
top rop
control ( control is mainly cleanliness, the use of all the dance floor instead of staying still in one spot, being able to be near your opponent and not touch them, and making every thing face your oppponent)
musicality
power
freezes

and if its crew battle i add in teamwork

but the system that you talked about i guess that is alright... but only if its good judges... also in my opinion they need to stop making all the judges sit next to each other... i hate that so much... becuase when i judged at the end of the battle the other judges ALWAYS asked me .. so what you think -.- you aint suppose to ask you are suppose to judge and many time judges persua(spelling?) the others to pick who he wants to pick

point systems like this are good, its actualy dyzees system,
the obly problem i might have with it is that it isnt fair to someone who focus on one thing or chooses not to focus on another.
then thre is a huge diffrence in what lets say you call power and i call power.
im mean seriously, doo and air 4 step, which is a footwork move, try it and tell me its not a power move, you cant.
i feel someone should just have a trained eye on whats good and whats not without bias of what the competitor is doing or not doing
for instance.
once one of my students was in a battle i was judging, and got mad at me cause i called it a tie.
he was like "yo ness you said you dont even like that circus crap" i said, "i dont, but i cant deny that what he did was dope, on point and on the beat. not to mention he hit everything effortlessly.
in order to really be a good judge, you realy need to OVERstand the dance. then it doesnt matter what judging system you use at that point

iwould rather have someone like dj renegade who fully understands the dance judge me, than your normal famous bboy whos been in the game for years. ive seen alot of biased shit, even from some of the so called best judges on the planet

cuchito31 · 03-09-2010, 01:42 AM

i dont know why this subject is even a matter of discussion yo. ROUND-FOR-ROUND. end.

how the fuck can you have a judge for foundation, one for power, one for freezes, one for routines...blah blah... that shit doesn't make any sense! you know how many crews are out there that REFUSE to use routines??? and you know how many crews are out there with WACK routines that can get beat with any solid solo throwdown???

round-for-round, add up who won the most, there's your winner. and if you wanna know who wins each round, decide which b-boy/crew was the cleanest while rocking the fuck outta that beat.

stellargiggs · 03-09-2010, 01:51 AM

alright, here is my Strife.tv perspective:

I am enjoying all the comments I have seen so far. However, DO NOT JUDGE SOMETHING WHEN NOT KNOWING THE ENTIRE PICTURE. Many of you guys are judging this system on a shaky video without knowing the history, or the pages upon pages of thought put into the judging system.

The R16 system is a test run, and there are many things to be brushed up on. The judging system is from Dyzee & Lee from Supernaturalz, and I really hope they can make an official announcement sometime in the future to educate everyone about it.

So in the meantime, while it is nice to see comments, please keep an open mind and realize that until you get the official scoring system guidebook, don't think you understand an entire system by one video alone.

koreankev · 03-09-2010, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by stellargiggs

alright, here is my Strife.tv perspective:

I am enjoying all the comments I have seen so far. However, DO NOT JUDGE SOMETHING WHEN NOT KNOWING THE ENTIRE PICTURE. Many of you guys are judging this system on a shaky video without knowing the history, or the pages upon pages of thought put into the judging system.

The R16 system is a test run, and there are many things to be brushed up on. The judging system is from Dyzee & Lee from Supernaturalz, and I really hope they can make an official announcement sometime in the future to educate everyone about it.

So in the meantime, while it is nice to see comments, please keep an open mind and realize that until you get the official scoring system guidebook, don't think you understand an entire system by one video alone.

the signs...
tell them that the signs aren't right...

BBoyNoname · 03-09-2010, 02:06 AM

The idea strikes me as fundamentally flawed, because, as stated before, there are crews that don't use routines as often (just as one example).

That said, round-for-round doesn't always work either. The point of a crew battle is to rate the entire crew as a whole. For example, say you have two bboys that are average in both footwork and power (for the sake of argument we'll use just these two dimensions, though of course in an actual battle there are for more to consider), and they're up against two other bboys, one who is a phenomenal powermover with little footwork and the other has incredibly dynamic footwork but never does power. Well, round for round it may go to the two average bboys, as each of their rounds would have more complete sets, with both power and footwork. But it could very easily be argued that as a complete crew, the other two balance each other perfectly and won the battle as a whole. Not saying that would be the case, but its a possibility to consider.

stellargiggs · 03-09-2010, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by koreankev

the signs...
tell them that the signs aren't right...

it's suppose to be a digitalized system for each judge, so hopefully no signs in the future

but i can't say anymore cause I'd rather have the people that started the scoring system talk.

Shankavelli · 03-09-2010, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by cuchito31

i dont know why this subject is even a matter of discussion yo. ROUND-FOR-ROUND. end.

how the fuck can you have a judge for foundation, one for power, one for freezes, one for routines...blah blah... that shit doesn't make any sense! you know how many crews are out there that REFUSE to use routines??? and you know how many crews are out there with WACK routines that can get beat with any solid solo throwdown???

round-for-round, add up who won the most, there's your winner. and if you wanna know who wins each round, decide which b-boy/crew was the cleanest while rocking the fuck outta that beat.

even with something as simple as round for round you still have to judge each round

bboy_Stryfe · 03-09-2010, 03:11 AM

isnt this dyzees judging system :|

Ill Switch · 03-09-2010, 04:02 AM

Yeah based off of someone who has debated and been judged of this judging system i can say that i'm not a fan and i'd say at least 80% of the active and credible Canadian bboy scene feels it's whack and would choose a round for round judging system with credible and active bboys judging battles. As an active bboy in the Canadian scene I don't only speak for my self but this is also my opinion. I feel it distracts judges and I've heard Legendary bboys that have been selected as judges to judge this way not feel it.

Once again this is strictly opinion and experience. No hear say

Peace out