R16 2010 | Final Battle Jinjo vs Maximum

[Jramz808]

Damn I saw some of the illest routines in a battle and all niggas wanna talk about is how bad the judging system is. Dyzee forget about all these clowns and keep doin your thing bro.

[35stplayer]

Daaaauuuuummmm ... don't know what all the $#!t talking is all about ...

i did not see what was so difficult to understand about this system .... i thought i was quite discriptive, fair, and balanced from dyzee's interview ...

Or maybe is because people couldn't find shit to talk about between Jinjo vs Maximum in this battle...

I think i may have hit the nail on the head ... Pz ... SEAMSTARIZM

[flipkidd]

Ah iono about this system it's seems kinda weird. who chooses these judges that all of a sudden know all about whatever aspect they were given to judge specifically on. In a way it sounds like this will just spur up alot of clones. Sounds like ppl that break the way they want to and get good at what they do for example freak show crew won't do good or get far with this system bcuz they lack a certain amount of foundation which prolly gets the most points. I'm not trying to knock the system or anything since I like cyphers at jams more than the judged battles anyway just my 2 cents

[g-suz]

this is not bboying .... this is a casting

I do not agree with the system

[Bboy Kid Ice]

omg its just like bboy the game on ps2.....hahahahaha seriously

[kidflex181]

this system is stupid ive seen crews win when they shoulda lost and vice versa....i say if it aint broke dont fix it

[Evasive1]

Definitely go electronic if you're bent on using this new system. Fumbling around with cards all day long to make sure you're about to put away/hold up the right number will make the judges miss half of the next round they're supposed to score. I know it would confuse the shit out of me.

[Mash]

Originally Posted by Mixcrew

why does everybody want to find out new systems to battle and to judge ...
what is wrong with the old way? it is not that bboy is evolving, that the system have to evolve too...
this is slowing down the battle because after every round, the judges have to show their score first

dont make the game complicated

... The idea is to categorize the judging, the way they do it is up to the event organizers. The system doesn't say you gotta hold cards up every round.

[USernamed]

Omar had some good points!

When u choose a judge for your event u choose him because of his experience right? so he/she should be capable of making a decison and u trust him to do it right? In the end it will always be his opinion so why complicate it with cards and stuff? Why categorize a dance into technique? why trying to make bboying a stupid sport?
When do u say that bboying is evolving are u really sure of that? Go see the battles of today and compare with old videos... do u realy think its evolving? the "dancing part" is not present nowadays... no hype... no fun... just technique... like a sport... with this judging system it will become even more depressive... dancing is abstract not a book to study! so if it will be categorized anyone wiil be capable of judging, just have to know the moves, whats dynamic or not...

when u talk about general public... beeing more easy to understand... whats that??
when u see any competition (boxing, gymnast) do u see judges holding cards? if u want to understand the dance go look for it, get to know people, have fun, thats hip-hop!

If u want to make money out of bboying u are in the wrong business!

[dyzeesnd]

To Usernamed. I understand where your coming from, not wanting bboying to get ruined. You love bboying the way it is, and wish things would never change. But life does keep changing, and if anything comes to a standstill, thats when it starts getting corrupted. Everything needs to grow until it reaches its full potential. Im not here to argue with you, I just want to discuss with you your questions.

-We choose a judge because we want a fair battle and there isnt a better way of judging at this time but to get someone who is respected by all to make a decision and choose a winner.
-Yes we trust them to do them, but unfortunately they dont always make the right decision and so many times everyone sees this happen.
-In the end why would you rather win or lose? by FACT or by OPINION?
-I was saying in earlier posts, but i guess you like to talk without doing your research first (which is normal) but the system you saw there was only a testing for the real system which will be launched at the r16 2010 july 2nd and 3rd in korea. Be patient to see the real thing, or if you want, you can go ahead and judge things by its prototypes. We didnt want to use the cards, but for the testing we had to.
-We arent trying to make bboying into a stupid sport. We want to make it into an intelligent well respected dance sport artform. But somepeople have been breaking for less than 10 years and they think they are experts in bboying and know everything about it, have already labelled it themselves and think they know whats best for it, and their own futures and dont want to see anything progress.
-When I say the dance is evolving, Im really sure of that. When I first saw breakin in 92, the only place anyone could see it was in dark dangerous underground hip hop parties where there were more gangs and fights than bboys. One in a while we would see a circle of people screaming, and we would run there and jump ontop of the people just incase one of our friends was getting their ass beat. There we would see cyphers where battles would "Organically" start between two crews. Are you telling me that this is the same as battles of today such as R16, BOTY, FSS, IBE, BC ONE etc?? It has evolved. If you are talking about the dance evolving in terms of moves or mentalities, then yes, it has evolved as well. Look how many different styles there are now. Look at all the people bringing in fresh new ideas. Yes its true we have some crews who like to do all the oldschool stuff (which is good) but at the same time creativity, and difficulty is being stretched and pushed farther and farther with every year.
-Some of us believe that it will make things better. Others think that it will make things worst. But I totally understand your concern for bboying to become ruined. But think of it this way, bboying is GROWING significantly, especially all around the world. Its only time that corporations come in and see that they can make money. In order to defend against this, we need to define what is a professional battle and make it OUR STANDARD, OUR RULES, and OUR SYSTEM, so that no corporation can come in and take that away.
This system is designed to keep preserved the "DANCE ASPECT" as well at the "TECHNIQUE". I agree that a system without it would not represent bboying at all. I just ask that you have an open mind and really see what its all about when we release the system to the public at the next r16 in july.

And about Boxing, nobody holds cards, but the crowd does know whos winning and losing.
Gymnastics is big, but its not on the level of Soccer, Football, Hockey etc. Bboying today is at the same level as gymnastics in terms of judging. The crowd doesnt really know whats going on or whos winning until the very end when they announce who wins. We want to make it so that the crowd knows who is winning throughout the entire battle. I hope you understand.

Peace

[EDSMASTER]

Originally Posted by aghs

In the classic round-for-round judging method, you don't need to worry about scales and criteria because the only criteria you need is set by the first person out. Then all that is left to be done is compare it to the run of the following person and there you have your criteria and the decision is made.

WORD on that AGHS!!!!!

[Pundit]

Dyzee I really only have one (actually 3) thing(s) to say:


Dont categorize different elements of the dance in the judging because

1.) We dont have specialists in bboying. There isnt a bboy use knows everything about "dynamics" or "creativity" because none of them were taught in a professional setting. There is no standard and I hope there never will be.

2.) If this system was created as a handicap for bad judges then it is severly flawed. What happens when a generous judge gives out 5's throughout the battle and then realizes that both crews might have perfect scores? They force themselves to give lower scores for the sake of creating competition.

3.) How can you rate BBOYING into a number scale? Does this mean a long ass routine reap all the points from the judges? How about the people who enter first in a battle? They are either gonna recieve the best OR worst score from the judges. As a battle progresses, how can a number system hold up to a judges changing opinion? As we all know a battle can turn sides at the speed of a backspin.

I really respect what you're trying to do however please think over your system because there are so many gaps.